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    Well, you didn't reported this specific bug with negative temperature before, I didn't know. You tried to explain me that AC was heating, and that you could heat the bus with no fan speed which was nonsense. But I suspect this has somethng to do with you pressing the AC button. This is not normal behaviour indeed, but there is probably som sign issue in the script. But just stop pressing the AC to heat the bus. AC does NOT mean heating...

    The freezing was a new thing I saw, because it was the first time I enterned the bus at minus temperatures. Before that it was at least above 0. I would assume that it has something to do with engine temperature, which is also first negative when spawning the bus. And as engine of course heats up the bus we see such a side effect when we are below 0. The AC button was not touched by me, and the freezing happened in busses with AC as well as without. In order to get the bus warm I had first to turn down the vent and make sure it is not running (not even al little bit), then wait until the bus gets above 0 just from engine heat, and then I could turn on the vent without worrying about freezing.

    That then confirms there is a sign issue in the scripts somwhere. We'll take a look.

    Okay, your heat system works perfectly, I understand. I think then it's perfect bahaviour when I spawned the bus in an eviroment of -5 deg C, turned on the engine, pushed the vent to max, went to make a coffee and ended in a bus with -20 deg C interior temp. Well, okay. Good AC;-)


    For the AI problem: the solution lies in the door script, it is possible to get the bus to be in the AI. The current script version won't. And alltogether after fixing it the bus does well in AI, there were no loading issues which could hint that there is something wrong. But a separate AI version is always a good thing, even on "light" busses. Because you simply do not need a lot of stuff there.

    Well, you didn't reported this specific bug with negative temperature before, I didn't know. You tried to explain me that AC was heating, and that you could heat the bus with no fan speed which was nonsense. But I suspect this has somethng to do with you pressing the AC button. This is not normal behaviour indeed, but there is probably som sign issue in the script. But just stop pressing the AC to heat the bus. AC does NOT mean heating...


    I know the problem with AI lies in the door scripts, but since I didn't advertise the bus to be AI firendly (because it's clearly too high poly to be) I didn't test it as AI.

    I understand what you mean with the plates, but would you need 4 different repaints just because of the plate though... You can only have 1 repaint, you wouldn't notice it... Again I did answer that I will consider switching the plates to a spearate texture so the subject is closed.


    Yes IT WORKS. That is supposed to work like that !!! Please read the following explanation, because you are just wrong... And I already tried to explain that to you before. Your answer makes me believe you have not bothered to read mine.


    The A/C button turns on Air conditionning. The purpose of air conditionning, thanks to some chemical wizardry, is to blow air colder than the air you took from the outside.


    Let me explain how a HVAC works :


    Firstly with AC off. You take air from the outside of the bus, via a cabin air filter. This air is blown in the cabin via a blower or ventilator. If you want to have colder air, you can't, without AC. The blown air can never been, colder than the air from the outside. That's physics. If you want to be hotter, you just heat the outside air with the hot coolant from the engine. Of course, for the temperature to change in the cabin there needs to be airflow. That is provided by the blower. That means that you can put whatever temperature you want on your button, if the air is not blown in tjhe cabin, it will not heat up the cabin. That's just plain logic, seriously try it in your car, if you turn the fan speed below 1 the HVAC just turns off.


    Then with the AC.

    AC uses a simple chemical reaction. There is a fluid, called refrigerent, that has a very low boiling point. Usually modern vehicles use R1234yf which starts to boil at -30°C. An ebullition is a very energy intesive chemical reaction. When it starts to boil, the refigerent takes heat from its environement via the evaporator. A compressor then compresses the cold gas out from the evoparator to make it go in a condenser and cool down to get back to liquid form. Then a reducer takes the fluid back to atmospheric pressure to start the reaction again.

    Basically, the fluid absorbs heat inside the bus which cools it, and put out heat outside wia the big condenser unit on the roof. The second effect of that, is that it allows to blow cold air thanks to a heat exchanger.

    This means that if you want to be colder than the outside air, you need to press the AC button, by doing so you'll notice that your bus starts to cool down. Do the test, try to put 18°C on the button, with a bit of air blower, and an outside temp of 30°C. Without AC you will never go below 30. With AC you will.


    Now what you are on about is wrong, unless you have a reversible heat pump, which to be fair is the case on modern electric bus, pressing the AC button will NEVER heat the bus. A conventionnal air conditionniong system which is non reversible has no ability to heat up the room. This is done as I said before with engine coolant.


    Now I explained the physics behind an HVAC system, let me address your concerns one by one.


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    It does not matter if you press the AC/heating button, heat is only applied if you turn the vent to something > 0. No matter if you press the button or not. What works is the temperature presets: the temp will not be higher than that.

    Completely normal, AC and heating shall not be mistaken for the same thing. So yes as long as you set your temperature to the temperature you want, and that temperature is higher than outside temperature, no matter if you press AC or not it will heat up. The only effect of AC when you heat, is that it drys the air. Hence your windshield demists faster with AC.

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    The normal behaviour should be that turning the vent even to 100% should have no effect on temperature as long as you don't press the heater / AC button. But it's heating anyway, it just has to be something above 0.

    This statement is incorrect. AC and Heating are not the same thing. AC only cools air, it does not heat it. So yes, it's heating when you put fan speed thanks to warm engine coolant

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    As for the speed of heating: it's not always fast. It's turbo-heating when the engine has run for a while. There seems to be a very high dependency between engine temp and heating, which is good but much too high.

    As said before, it's the heat of the engine that heats up the bus, therefore it makes perfect sense that the bus heats up faster when the engine is hot.


    All those fake statement make me think you have never driven a car in your life. If so you would realize that to get heat you need engine temp and fan speed...


    I will not come back on that subject again. The HVAC of this bus does work, and if you still don't believe me, fine. But deal with it because you are just mistaken. I undertand my answers are not to your satisfaction and you would like to see me appologise and say I'll fix it, but I will not tell you that because that is false.


    Just a little clarification, in my real job appart from OMSI, a part of my formation was extensive theory lessons about HVAC system. How it works, their physics, even calculation and the use of the Mollier diagram which explains it all. We also got some pratic. So don't test me on that, even though I'm not working on the HVAC system in my current position, I know what I'm talking about.

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    ANSI/UTF8:

    If you do not change it to ANSI any german and probably some other countries characters will be not displayed correctly. If you want to try it just load a bus with the TH-Wald hof and select destination 2 "Müller Touristik". you get something like "M?ller Touristik". When you convert the otf files it will work. The scripts will also have bugs because of that, OMSI just can't deal with UTF coding.

    I have not messed with the hof files, they are in the format their author saved them in. However the matrix display could not support accents, I will check that. Though this will not enduce bugs in the scripts as non of the variables use accents. The most of your worries is comments that could not show properly, but that does not impact performance.


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    AI-busses:

    Unfortunetly I can't use the 7700A as AI bus. As AI bus the bus opens the front door and then some kind of a loop starts (you hear a noise loop from the bus) and the bus won't move anymore.

    Indeed the buses were not optimised to be used as AI and thus not tested in this scenario, so I'm not surprised if there are bugs. Howver, it looks like quite a few users would be interrested to have AI working so in a the next update I'll add AI specific version with no interior.


    Heating / AC:
    There are the old triggers for heating and standheizung_toggle still in the script without any function besides playing a click sound. The standheizung-trigger should be turned off for this bus as there is no switch for it. But even the manual button (nr. 6) you should press to turn on and off the AC or heating does not work. Heat is only applied when you turn the vent (3) to the right regardless of if button 6 is on or off, and then the bus heats up in seconds from cold to sauna. Unfortunetly this is far from a working system.

    Interior Lights:
    passengers always complain that it is too dark in the evening, although light is on.

    There is a switch for standheizung. If your bus does not have AC, its in place of the AC button. If your bus has AC it's on the left side. All of this is in the manual.

    Heating / AC:
    There are the old triggers for heating and standheizung_toggle still in the script without any function besides playing a click sound. The standheizung-trigger should be turned off for this bus as there is no switch for it. But even the manual button (nr. 6) you should press to turn on and off the AC or heating does not work. Heat is only applied when you turn the vent (3) to the right regardless of if button 6 is on or off, and then the bus heats up in seconds from cold to sauna. Unfortunetly this is far from a working system.

    Interior Lights:
    passengers always complain that it is too dark in the evening, although light is on.

    The button to turn on the AC does work. Try to cool the bus in hot weather. You may selec whatever you want with the temperature dials, it will never go below the outside temp, unless you click the AC button.


    Heating only works if you turn the fan button, because if the fan is not blowing air, how could aiur temp be changed in the bus ?


    It does heat quite fast indeed, but I don't really see harm in that. Volvos are known for heating quite fast, at least in my city it was very obvious compared to Heuliez. And it's a game anyway, you don't feel it yourself...


    It works exacly as it does in a car, you should try it... Temperature never changes if fan is off. If fan is on, temperature can go up or down, but never below outside air temp. if AC is on, temperature can go down even more. That is a working system, and if you doubt that, I would suggest you try the AC in your car to prove yourself wrong :disguised:

    Is it common knowledge that when you switch off the engine with M, all the electronics switch off as well? Or is that how it's supposed to be?

    I don't know if it's common knowledge, but from my experience, on the 3 Volvos I have recorded that's how it works. Besides, on the buses with Volvo chassis from thne British it works the same way.


    Why would you need to have 50 repaints just to change the registration plate ? I mean, Plates could be on a different small textures, that's no problem but I don't see your point here. Would you stop and take a look at the plate of avery AI you see !? :"D


    However, If I indeed switch the plates to a separate textures, it would be far easier to add light source, I simply hadn't thought about this.


    Can be added, it will be in a next update then.


    I do not wish to compromise on model quality for AI purposes, but the idea of adding separate AI models with no interiors is something that can be done. Reducing the quality of the floor texture would impact too much the quality of the user bus, without improving performance that well. Moreover from the test I've made the volvos are already quite performance friendly.


    I don't really see the problem in german specific letters not showing in scripts, scripts aren't supposed to be read by the users, and if so they should adapt to me and not the opposite. I already write most of my scripts in English, which doesn not need special coding that I don't even know about.

    The ceilings are not really made to be easily repaintable, for optimisation reason it was chosen to limit the number of textures. And for some variants, the ceilings are in pieces and mapped on different textures. This will not be changed as this would impose extensive rework on both DLCs.

    Only the standard 2 doors would be easy to be repainted. If you wish to repaint them anyway, the CTC keys exist and you can repaint the existing textures. You don't really need a template for them as they are light beige so quite easy to convert back to white.


    The engine cover does not have a template, however the light coloured top was already done in some repaints (I believe the Bern ones) so you just need to take this texture, the work is already done ;)


    It is in my catalogue of ideas to add SETVAR to the window configurations (sliding and not openable at all) but it is not a priority in my workflow.


    Large rear display is an idea I have as well, but I work with another guy on Matrix and this feature would need to be done by him so I can't say if or when it will be done.

    A feature that I'm more interrested in adding would be AI specific ligtened versions (with no interior) but again the time is lacking on mys side these days.


    There's a little bug with the cash register. While all the lower row levers work well and dispense one matching coin, the upper row does so only on the five and ten cents levers. the twenty (40) doesn't move at all while a clickspot is recognized. the fifty cents (1.50) dispenses twenty cent coins, the one Euro dispenses fifty cent coins and the two Euro dispenses one Euro coins. No multiple two Euro coins are possible.

    It is impossible to have a perfectly working money dispenser, because depending on the money pack you use, some amounts are not the same. I don't remember exaclty the limitations but there are some conversion errors between the original game money and the euro pack.

    However I believe I fixed most of it on the first DLC, it is strange that there are some bugs on this one, I guess I started dev before the fix. I need to check that.

    Hi,

    I overhauled the path files, dans it should now behave a lot better. Because of Holidays I'm not sure when it will release though.


    Auto door function is a feature we are working on, and it should release first on the first DLC.

    Hi :)


    Thanks for that, I believe I have a solution for the exit situation, I'm working on it. I hadn't noticed yuou mentionned it on the old addon, however I recently witnessed it myself and fixed it already for an upcoming update. I need to do the same for the Facelift.


    About the seats that are left empty it's done on purpose. There are a lot of different seat options in SETVAR and saddly passenger position cannot be changed with a SETVAR. So in places where there are too much differences between seating configuration, there cannot be passenger otherwise on some bus it would like a buggy passenger cabin.


    Die nicht-Facelift Version hat allerdings die gleichen Probleme.


    The non-facelift version of this bus has the same problems.

    I have found a fix, that will make its way shortly alongside with the new matrix which are not ready yet for the non facelift.

    I haven't noticed this bug, Can you be more specific, maybe with a screenshot ?


    I wouldn't be too worried about this though because I have started overhauling the path files to implement auto door function in the first DLC anyway :)

    Hello everyone,


    Does anyone have encountered bugs with the new update ?


    On my side, I tried it on a laptop which was not even plugged in (so low perf map) and I succedeed to load all the buses of the pack successively without the game crashing.


    I even tried to click everywhere while loading, which made the loading window stop answering, but even then the bus ended up spawning after a long wait...


    Don't get me wrong the bus is High poly and the loading time on low end PC is very long, but I have not encountered bugs. And anyway, to those who atribute game bugs to my DLC's update, are you sure nothing else changed, are you sure you have no mods on the bus ? Because I haven't changed anything in it that could affect performance or loading time...


    While I do appreciate that people report bugs, doing so without sending me a logfile does not give me anything to investigate, on what I will call for now, a ghost issue. I would try uninstall the DLC, test the game again. If the issue persist then the bus is not to blame. Then re-install the DLC and test again.


    If what you call bugs is a long loading time : yes I know, it's the combination of high poly and SETVAR... But as long as the bus spawns in the end, you cannot ask for more.


    It's in the affected persons best interest to help me fix the issue...

    Hello,


    There were no files changed in that update that will affect performance. So I don't understand how it would freeze a game.


    To be completely transparent, the only changes made appart from the new variants, is that all buses got their missing gearbox (ZF or VOITH) and I added sounds to the starter key and ticket printer.


    Do you have any mods on the DLC ? Mods may be incompatible for some reason ?


    "Hier müsste man nochmal was checken." would be easier if you send me a logfile. I cannnot investigate if I cannot replicate the bugs, or if I'm not given the necessary ressources to investigate.


    thanks in advance

    Very strange,

    Can’t see anything out of the ordinary. I guess I’ll test my version and if nothing is out of the ordinary I’ll send an update tomorrow with my version’s ibis.


    PS. Pls use English for further discussion, it saves me the inconvenience of translating as I don’t speak German ;)