[Sammelthread] Add-On Citybus S31X

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    Zitat von SADOP
    Zitat von Lazarus

    The Script isn‘t good at all

    Thank you for you kindness mate. You may say you don't like the script, but the door animation is modeled after some videos id est : they are 100% accurate.

    Next time you wanna be mean to me, or other creators, keep it to yourself. Remember as an "aerosoft insider" you bear the image of aerosoft, I'm sure they would not like their name associated to this kind of useless, non argumented comment of yours.

    Though I thank you for your confirmation of the door beeing operational

    sorry, but it is your responsibility to catch script related errors as a developer. saying "oh, you tried to open the doors but the dash isnt booted yet" isnt the fault of the customer, its yours.
    i don't own the add-on but i thought about getting it. after reading comments though i highly doubt i get a well scripted and well-kept project.
    if you cant fix it, learn it.

    Zitat von Chrizzly92

    sorry, but it is your responsibility to catch script related errors as a developer. saying "oh, you tried to open the doors but the dash isnt booted yet" isnt the fault of the customer, its yours.
    i don't own the add-on but i thought about getting it. after reading comments though i highly doubt i get a well scripted and well-kept project.
    if you cant fix it, learn it. Otherwise you should join team LOTUS or TML's bugfest with that kind of attitude.

    Yes I know it is my responsibility to catch script problem.

    There is only 1 known bug

    It has limited effect, only the lights on the VDO dash that freezes. And by the way, its not good practice to start the engine before the electrics have finished initialisation.

    It's not because I have not found the solution that I'm not doing anything to find it !!!!

    And for that bug with doors that only 2 persons have expericenced, nobody has expericenced it, even me whatever I did. You cant ask me to chase ghosts do you.


    I don't like your tone and I urge you to change it.

    DE
    Abend zusammen
    Nun möchte auch ich mein Feedback zu dem DLC abgeben
    Positiv:
    - Die Grundmodelle an sich top
    - Verschiedene Bus Varianten gefällt mir
    - Radkappen cool
    -€2/€3 Version sehr schön gibt Abwechslung
    - verschiedene Setvar Variablen gefällt mir



    Negativ:
    -Die Licht Textur Blinker beidseitig vorne und hinten Grauenvoll ((Bitte Fixen))
    -Rücklicht und Bremslicht hinten grauenvoll ((Bitte Fixen))
    -Heizung /Klimaanlage wurde nicht gefixt ((funktionsfähig wäre schöner))
    -Nebelscheinwerfer haben keine Funktion ((funktionsfähig wäre schöner))
    -berliner Atron warum? Mann kann mit ihm kaum Linien schildern, Kasse vom O405 Add-on in Betracht ziehen.
    - Retarder muss in der OSC Datei umgestellt werden und bei jedem Update bei Steam muss Mann von vorne anfangen ((Bitte Fixen))
    -Tür Sounds bei allen Varianten passen nicht ((Bitte Fixen))
    Die Punkte, die ich hier genannt habe, berufen sich auf das DLC ohne Mods. Wäre schön, wenn das DLC noch weitere Updates bekommen würde


    Aufgrund das ich einen dunklen Hintergrund habe schreibe ich hier in Grün




    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von fOcUs04 () aus folgendem Grund: Unnötige Schriftformatierung entfernt (sehr schlecht lesbar). Bitte verzichte auf unnötigen Einsatz von Schriftfarbe/-grösse beim erstellen von Beiträgen.

    so you expect a 13 year old, that potentially bought your add-on to understand how complex electronics work, without evem having a drivers license for a car or even a bus?
    your excuse for not finding the reason for the bug is called organizational blindness. sure thing you cant find it because you do the same key presses and timings all the time. Other people are NOT like you and they do stuff different and therefore they have different results so its YOUR responsibility to think different and wrap your head around how and why a specific thing is happening. it has nothing to do with ghosts, the reasons are scripts that are created without thinking about them enough. so after all, i can ask you to chase "ghosts" because there is always a reason for a specific misbehaviour.


    i don't care if you like my tone. actually, its just a reaction to your postings in here so how about starting to work on your attitude towards bugs and criticism first - if you do, comments in here wouldn't be as toxic and your product would be way better.

    Sadly, steam reviews seem to reflect your attitude aswell.

    Zitat von Chrizzly92

    so you expect a 13 year old, that potentially bought your add-on to understand how complex electronics work, without evem having a drivers license for a car or even a bus?
    your excuse for not finding the reason for the bug is called organizational blindness. sure thing you cant find it because you do the same key presses and timings all the time. Other people are NOT like you and they do stuff different and therefore they have different results so its YOUR responsibility to think different and wrap your head around how and why a specific thing is happening. it has nothing to do with ghosts, the reasons are scripts that are created without thinking about them enough. so after all, i can ask you to chase "ghosts" because there is always a reason for a specific misbehaviour.


    i don't care if you like my tone. actually, its just a reaction to your postings in here so how about starting to work on your attitude towards bugs and criticism first - if you do, comments in here wouldn't be as toxic and your product would be way better.

    Sadly, steam reviews seem to reflect your attitude aswell.

    Well, steam reviews are good. But your attitude is as deplorable as you think mine is ;) take a mirror and watch yourself in it. If you had read the entire thread, you would have noticed I tried every possibles combinaison of action to try and recreate the bug, you know, not as I do usually… so if I can’t have the bug even if I do absolutely everything wrong, I don’t know how I could fix it…

    I’m sorry I’m not as good as you with scripts, but that’s not a reason to talk to me like that.

    So now if you have some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help me found that issue, I all for that, but if you are only here to insult me, I can’t be bothered to read you anymore.

    just because you have more positive reviews than negative ones it doesnt make your reviews "good". especially the release ones. also, you dont get the point. no one is perfect, no one blames you for having bugs in a release version. same stuff happened to me, to others, probably to everyone that did a commercial DLC. its your attitude towards fixing something and towards criticism.
    its your attitude towards foreign languages. its your attitude towards having "only one bug" (the comment above says that ac/heater isnt working correctly, fogs dont work correctly, door sounds seem off ) but this comment alone points out at least 3.

    without owning the dlc myself, i cant look into it so i could just guess whats the issue with that. i do have a guess though but its not my job to fix it for you, otherwise i would've scripted that thing in the first place.
    first thing that comes in mind as a quick fix to help users is just to lock the engine start trigger until the timer for dash initialization is finished. so even if a kid trys "to start the engine before the electrics have finished initialisation"™ thats probably two lines of code added to a trigger at max and you dont have to be "me" or an experienced developer to do that. you do have to get off your "cant do it, nah" train though to think about possible solutions.

    so there is your solution. still not gonna buy that dlc until you start respecting potential customers, even if their criticism isnt "constructive" enough for your likings.
    in germany, we have a saying that goes: "getroffene Hunde bellen." Und wenn du dich beleidigt fühlst, scheint die Kritik ja gar nicht so weit hergeholt zu sein.
    In diesem Sinne: kannst den Bug ja jetzt fixen, Workaround steht ja da.


    Thank you for the tip to fix my problem.

    I won’t argue more with you about the rest..

    yeah, now you can help your two customers to get a working bus instead.

    Zitat von Chrizzly92

    yeah, now you can help your two customers to get a working bus instead.

    About these two customers, I stand by the fact the bug they encounter, I have never encountered myself despite trying everything to fix it.

    I’m sure you know as well as me that it’s impossible to fix something you haven’t witnessed.

    It’s like me asking you to change the battery on your car, but it has never failed and you don’t even know where it is.

    To fix that I need to hear about more people having the problem, maybe I will be able to find a common point between them.

    Though I’ll be able to fix the freezing indicator lights on the VDO, that shouldn’t have anything to do with the doors. That was just my best guess on something to try.

    for a fix i'm currently talking about the freezed display. you know the reason (starting engine while the system isnt booted) so you know a fix (preventing the engine beeing able to start until the electric is initialized). it may not be the reason why this happens and it may not be as elegant as fixing the "real" issue, but its an effective workaround.
    i bet there is a similar issue that causes the doors to be faulty. e.g. an unused trigger people use thats left after 100 people worked on halycon scripts.

    To give some practical input to this discussion, I want to renew some bug reports on the model.


    1. In Euro 2 the vent slot of the air filter is still existing. This slots shouldn't be on an Euro 2.


    2. The interior grids of the Aircondition are missing, as well as the hubs of the small roof vents:


    3. There are still main parts of the support rods missing in F3-view. It would be ugly but acceptable on an AI bus, but on my player bus I want to see that parts from the outside.


    4. There still isn't any support to the roof missing to the long support rag on the left side:


    5. The A pillar should be verical to the Windshield and not curved or at an angle:


    Maybe these inaccuracies are more easy for you to fix than the script problems.

    Chrizzly92 sorry my fault I was on that part but it change not the deeper point that creators react to each other on that way... Please skip the part on the MANLC but the point what I mean it's very nasty to react to you're partners to create the products for the community. Again it's my fault to couple you at the wrong product but doesn't change at the fact how you both have you're wrong attitude to paying customers!

    Meine amtssprache ist Niederländisch!

    Zitat von xander1986

    Chrizzly92 sorry my fault I was on that part but it change not the deeper point that creators react to each other on that way... Please skip the part on the MANLC but the point what I mean it's very nasty to react to you're partners to create the products for the community. Again it's my fault to couple you at the wrong product but doesn't change at the fact how you both have you're wrong attitude to paying customers!


    you are absolutely right, but i followed this thread for a while now and i'm pissed that it seems! like the dev gives a fuck about problems and criticism.
    i mean i'm not only a developer, i'm a player too and i'd love to get my hands on well made products. especially in the last year and a half or so, quality has dropped a lot, especially script wise. the Man NLC is the best example for a miss-managed product where it seems like the dev and also the publisher gives a fuck. the MAN NLC isn't even useable as AI! thats just stuff that isnt acceptable for a release version and if it does happen, it has to be fixed asap. and if you cant get it fixed, get help from someone who knows what he or she is doing. im just pissed that dlc quality feels like its on a downwards spiral and no one gives a shit as long as its sold well.

    Chrizzly92 I have followed the thread as well and I'm disappointed ass well but this kind off reactions creates a risky environment for users. I can fully understand what's you're point and I hope that the team on this forum make an agreement with SADOP to change his manners. But you're angry reaction is oil on fire that brings more angry younger people they don't understand what's happening. But again SADOP please read this and change you're customer attitude.


    For me this is a logical point that's starts with more respect to each other and understanding what the needs are for the customer and indead search for help and use the information from each other and do not fight. The customer is more happy by a good product. :)

    Meine amtssprache ist Niederländisch!

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    Thanks for the report ;)

    Again about your 4th point, as I told you last time, there is nothing missing here, this was done after a picture of the axact bus represented, though I agree that looks strange.

    I will conclude this pathetic discussion.


    Just for evryone to be on the same page, I don't thing I have been lazy with fixes on this bus, let's remind everyone that I already did 2 updates on the products, and that all the main bugs were fixed. There is only one left and I never said I wouldn't fix it. i juste said I HADN'T FOUND the solution yet. And despite what Chrizzly says, i neversaid I wasn't getting any help.


    Perotinus,


    I see you guys all complaining about my customer support, frankly I have no idea why, I've never seen a creator more active on a sammelthred before. Some (many) DLC still stay with unnaceptable bugs/poor workmanship without having been fixed and they probably will never be fixed. So let's all put feet down to earth and put things into perspective.


    To be more direct :

    -Chrizzly92, you have had some very interesting arguments in that conversation, but you have had such an aggressive tone without any apparent reason. I understand you may be dispointed I did not find a solution to 1 bug, but i'm not as confident with scripts than you. That is my biggest weakness. But have you really followed the whole thread or are you just here to say you and your DLCs are better than everyone else ? If you really have followed the thread, you should have noticed that I only stopped looking for the door bug, because I don't know avout you I'm not a magician. How can I fix something I can't witness myself ? When I say there is only 1 big bug left, you say steam users say otherwise, have you even considerd that som bugs were reported there before they were fixed in an update, moreover, you seem confuse people that don't like a feature, with people reporting bugs. Yes some users don't like the door animation/sound, but that's their opinion, they are done that way with video references. Yes some people are not happy about the fixed inside temperature, but that's a choice not a bug. Yes some people don't like some textures, but some other do like them. Moreover you don't even own my DLC, so how dare you saying the quality of my product is lower than yours ? Maybe it is, but you didn't even try it !!


    -Perotinus, I know you reported some thing that should/could be updated, but those are not bugs, those are only innacuracies that someone that doesn't know the buses as you do wouldn't even have noticed, that's why I preffered to release an update faster to fix bugs instead of fixing everything which I can't do with the time I currently have. I really appreciate the help/reports you have made me. Despite what Chrizzly thinks, I have listend to all your critics, and they are all written somewhere on a to do list. With that said, I have always been unconfortable with the fact you used to compare my DLC and your SETRA you are working on, and the insults you made about the quality of my sounds. I don't say you do all that on purpose, though you should be aware these allusions create a relatively unhealthy climate of competition between you and me. To be more direct, you are not 100% objective on this subject so I'm not sure I'm liking the fact you take the deffence of Chrizzly who has been aggressive from start despite having said some very true things.


    -Lazarus, You also are aggressive against me. i don't like that, I already told you about that. If you can't understand that and adjust your tone to be nicer to me, well that's a pity.


    All 3 of you are what I would qualify important people of the community in different way. Chrizzly and perotinus, I respect your work, but this all had to be said. All 3 of you, just take the time to ask yourself that question "Am i still legitimate in what i'm saying ?" you all feel in your own right because you are all on same page to say I'm a terrible person, but read back what you say and ask yourslef if the tone you are using since the start of that shitstorm is really justified.


    xander1986 : i agree with you, such sterile debate does not give a nice image. You are also 100% right with the fact that should have happened in private. I'm really sorry you had to witnesse that. Though I'm not liking your insinuation about me changing my manners, as I said, I've done everything I could to satisfy customers up to now, but I'm still human, so yes, when i feel offended, I defense myself. P

    lease keep in mind that this is my first DLC. Yes, i've been massively helped by Acrotere design who has more experience than me on the subject, but even him is a bit overwhelmed by what's happening here.

    If beeing nice to customers, fix everything ASAP gives you this kind of shitstorm, I start to understand why a certian creator I will have the decence not to name, has chose to aliminate all contacts with his community, and has never released a single one update.


    To conclude I'm fed up with that shitstorm, and I will ask the moderation team to clean up that mess.